Coyote questions

[foxtrot]

I have had several coyotes howl back at me but refuse to come in.The ones that do come in are silent.Here's where it gets complicated.If a coyote howls back at you from a distance does that mean hes in his area and is more or less saying stay away and probably will not cross that territorial line?And is it possible to entice him into your area or is it better to come back later and set up in his area?Should a person use coyote howls of some sort or maybe coyote distress or stay away from coyote vocals all together and use a food distress of some sort.I'm probably over thinking this but would like to figure out some type of a system that a person could have some confidence in using.   

[scott]

This is where I think knowing you howls makes a big difference.  If you know what coyote you are dealing with, you can adjust your calling to a specific yote.  I use different coyote vocals if i know what i am dealing with.  If i have a alpha female (easist to call imo) giving me a challenge howl I can use a lone howl or a pup howl on here and she will be aggressive.  If I have a young coyote I will not use any coyote vocals and will only use distress.  If a coyote howls at you during your calling try and figure out what he or she is saying and adjust from there.  Also, I always work in coyote pup distress somewhere in my sequence, usually after about 15 minutes. 

[Lookn4Fur]

Good Question.  I believe in Core areas for coyote.  A core area (IMO) is where a coyote spends a majority of their time.  I have anylized different coyote study's that show travel patterns and territories with gps collars for example.   http://www.theconservationagency.org/coyote.htm.  Every so many minutes or hours the coyotes location is tracked on a map.  This shows the coyotes core area.  Leglifter and I were having this discussion a while back also. 

I think the coyote you had howling back at you was in its core area and wasn't coming out because you weren't yanking his/her chain in the right way.  I have had this happen several times to me as I bet most others have as well.  There is actually an article by Andrew Lewand in the new Predator Extreme about this exact problem titled trash Talking Coyotes.  Byron South also believes in Core areas as is mentioned in this article.

You mentioned some come in silent.  I feel these coyotes are the ones you can kill easier and with distress sounds.  A lot of time they will not be the alphas.  It is the alphas that will protect their core area with coyote vocalizations (imo).  The next time this happens to me I am going to sneak in closer with a favorable wind the next morning or evening and try to get closer if not inside the core.  I am only going to use coyote sounds and very little.  Or repeat what they throw at me.  I call in and see more coyotes when I sit for long periods of time.  I'm talking 1 to 1 1/2 hours with very little calling.  Now I just have to learn too shoot better.

[ultramag]

Some coyotes howl just as a reaction much like a turkey shock gobbles,beyond that yes you have to know basic coyote language like challenge,threat,interogaton,domain howls before you know if they are answering back or just sounding off.....

Once winter hits I use mostly coyote vocals and very little prey sounds,just seems to work better for me.

[uncle buck]

You guys need to have supper with Randy Anderson..

[uncle buck]

I did enjoy Andrew Lewands article in Predator Extreme.. I did learn something from it and it makes sense of what the author and his team of professionals passed on to readers...I'm now going to have to add to my calling sequence one of the things Randy suggested callers should do during the sequence.. It's so nice to see and outstanding well written article that has some good how too make sense recommendations for the readers..

[ultramag]

You guys need to have supper with Randy Anderson..

Why?

[uncle buck]

ultramag...We all were talking predator hunting of course.  Randy just said listen?  "If you guys from Pa want to get coyotes you should do this:"I have the up most respect for the man...Randy is no phony no matter where he hunts coyotes.. I don't care if it Nebraska or telling someone in Pa how to do it here... The man knows coyotes... 


I'd say about 1 week or so later we did just what he said and this is what we got.  



I did the calling and my brother (Tom person in the picture) did the shooting with a Mossberg 12 gauge pump and Remington 2 3/4 # 4 buckshot.
  

[ultramag]

Yes hes does...and he's funny too.