As a matter of fact I used to use a Model 12 Winchester 16ga....back when I was much younger cause it was my only shotgun....I would use #2 Hi-Brass loads and the fox needed to be in your face....Back then I was shooting mostly grays and they were notorious for running right over you so it wasn't a big problem.....I would not recommend or endorse it as a weapon of choice for predators. Makes a great Grouse gun if you happen to have any of them around and it was also good for ducks (jump & decoy) with Hi-Brass #5 shot...JMO