I used to get Remington #4s at Gander Mtn. I could never get it to pattern good enough to use. I tried it in my Mossberg 500 with the turkey choke, mod and Carlsons Dead Coyote and I wasn't happy with the outcome on either of them. I'm using Winchesters High Density Coyote in BB size for fox and in case a Coyote comes in close. For fox I strictly use Winchester Supreme turkey #5 (black shell and box).