Dan oops! Your tight and I'm wrong! The factory 17 Hornet is a 20 grain VMAX! I'm getting mixed up with the 17 WSMRF which is a 25 grain Polymer tip. Sorry for making you think there is yet another 17 Hornet ammo configuration! I guess for now only a reloader can take the Hornady 25 Grain VMAX bullet and reload it in 17 Hornet brass!