Not All Men Are Created Equal Syndrome

[uncle buck]

I wonder what it is?  I have been hunting predators a long time.. Now I have taken new predator hunters hunting and even family members...Seems like my family members don't really have the syndrome..


Now here is what the syndrome is:  When you take a person predator calling.. Your showing them the how to do this and you must do this... Why do some not listen to you and do what they want to do?  One of the biggest things is:  Shutting one of the two lights you use during the calling process.  I  have a shooting light on my rifle and I have a scanning light on my head or person.. The light is to see the incoming eyes but it's also to be held in front of you or on your head to make you stealth. You can tell some new hunters one, two, three, and four times to keep the scanning light on your head or person on at all times or keep the light on your scope on at all times....See you have someone that feels that the scanning light on the scope is adequate to to make your stealth.  Now this might be the case  right when your going to shoot the rifle.. You shut your scanning light off when your behind the tripod.. Now I know there are different ways to shoot.. If  you know what your doing and have the perfect shooting light you can use it for scanning and shooting.. In this Case if I may that would be the shooting light the TFC223 uses.. See I don't use that method.

It truly wants you to turn to the person out there and I'm  going to do this to: "Now I have told you 4 times to keep both of those lights on!"  "If your not going to do what I say we just aren't going to hunt together anymore!"

Hence when I say not all men are created equal...Some will listen to you  and  right off they start to harvest predators... When they don't listen they start to wonder why they never see any predators coming to the call... 

[TFC2223]

Uncle Buck,
I rarely post here much anymore but, since i am mentioned in your post I will clairify some things for you.  I use two lights with the rifle.  Always have since I started hunting predators.  I scan with a headlight which is a Kill Light model 100 with a silent halo shield affixed to it.  I shoot off of a fabricated monopod thats suits my style of hunting.  On my monopod I use a Kill Light 250 with the silent halo shield attached to it as well.  As you state there are many ways of hunting predators and i respect everyone's opinion including yours but, since you are referencing me I prefer that the facts be accurate as to how I hunt so others are not misled.  By the way I rarely have the need to run two lights at the same time unless I am actually setting up for the shot then both would be on due to not ever needing to turn off my scanning light when I settle into the rifle for the shot.  Above pictured is my method and I don't see myself changing anytime soon.  My best to you and your two hunting light endeavors.  I will remain in the rookie ranks of those who scan with one light on until I pick up eyes. 

Kirk McKendree

[uncle buck]

TFC223 thank you for responding back...See I remember during your seminar back in Sep 2010 you were using a different light on your shooting styk...I think it was the Nightforce.. Nice to see that you too are using the Kill Lights now ... See when it comes to shooting lights... Things are changing in leaps and bounds... Sometimes overnight.. I was truly impressed on your set up and if you remember told you you should market the assy that goes on the styk..Wow I bet it's an awesome set up now with the Kill Light and hoods attached?

Right now my Nitelites are just sitting in a storage box... I just can't see selling them to anyone now that the new technology with the colored LED bulbs are starting to be used by predator hunters.. I bet in a few months things will change and new and better shooting lights will be on the market because of the colored LED's.

Again thank you for posting on the subject it.  It truly was not to put you on the spot but of more of a respect I have for your hunting methods.. I just remembered from seminar back in 2010 and was maybe saying I only knew one man that could use one light for scanning and shooting.  The person I was referencing in my original post can't even see the fox eyes. Hence he truly needs to have both lights on at all times just to see eyes... He couldn't even see deer standing a field after we departed an area... I had to point their eyes out to him..

 

[TFC2223]

Unkle Buck,
No problem but, due to the amounts of email, pms etc that I receive over those who for some reason want my advice I wanted to make sure I clairfy how I do things so that i don't get others confused who attend my seminars an so on.  I interpited your post to read that I scan and shoot with my rifle light which actually goes against my beliefs for safety when using scope mounted lights (which most seem to do).  I just want no one to think that I promote unsafe methods for hunting.  I can assure you its quite the opposite.  Just so you know I still am only going to use one light until it go time in most situations lol.  Hunt hard.  Hunt safe.

[Seeking_Coyotes]

I've heard most guys who have predator hunted for a while recommend using the two lights on method.  I usually just keep my scanning light on then when I spot eyes turn on the gun mounted light.  If I am in a spot that I am almost certain I will get a fox in quickly I leave both on.  Just feel bad leaving the batteries burning on the gun light during a potentailly long calling sequence.  Doesn't make much sense I guess since I have a backup battery.

[Seeking_Coyotes]

TFC223...you should post here more often.

[TFC2223]

Seeking,
That is the one of the situations that I will leave both lights on as well.  I only have one other circumstance that I run both at the same time.  Ninety percent of the time its unnecessary for me and at times find it to be more counter productive for a multitude of reasons.  I have been doing quite well over the years with this technique and it seems pointless to me to unecessarily waste my batteries.  My luck I would have a battery die on me while running my rifle light when its not needed and possibly cost me a shot.  The light as stated above is a force field and light discipline is an absolute if you want to maximize your success.  At the risk of writing to much on this topic since I hate to type what I have seen in the field with many who run scope mounted lights is that they fall short when side profiled by the incoming predator creating unwanted hangups and so on.  If your rifle light illuminates your weapon especially from the side profile I have seen over and over again where it became a problem.  While making those observations of hunting with people who shoot said system its makes me believe that more harm is being done than good because essentially most who shoot rifle scope lights at a minimum backlight themselves or their weapon which can be like waving a flag to the predator when they move.  At this point I would question that illuminating one self/rifle with an unecessary light is more productive than just scaning with a headlamp and sitting in the dark motionless.  Bottom line is that with whatever you use staying behind the light with the least amount of backlighting and movement is for me the key to night hunting success and getting them in close which equates to a higher hit to miss ratio which means fur down.  Time to go back into hiding.  Shoot straight!

[Seeking_Coyotes]

I should have someone watch me scan to see if I have a shadow.  I do use a halo shield on the gun light but not on the hand light.

[Jake]

  I was out today, looking at a Hunting Expo, and checked out allot of new lights, things are changing, and to keep up, we all have to change with the high tec methods being use. Thanks to PPHA Forums, this old Man can keep up with the times, with what works and what does not.  Thank You!!!!