Well most new hunters call them in and never know it. 14 is a good number, did any present you a shot? That is the problem, whats the secret to killing them?
I don't think Randy is any better than most in PA and has no secret. He was on talkcast, and said us PA. hunters do not howl enough, there is a small window of the year howling will help you, any other time it will end your stand.