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uncle buck

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Coyotes Right On Time Year After Year After Year.
« on: March 16, 2009, 11:08:51 PM »
Some people frown on hunting coyotes in the warmer months....April, May, June, July, and August..They fear that doing this will  make them start to kill live stock if say you kill one of the Alpha parents after the pups are born. Logic is that if you kill the male coyote the female has to get food for the pups so they will kill anything to get that food.....

On could debate this question. Some say that not onlly the Alpha's but the Bravo's and the Charley's also raise the pups with food????
Hence if you killed the Alpha male then your really not hurting the populations...

Year after year after year....I get calls from farmers in SCPA. It's like an alarm clock.. When May and June arrives the coyotes go on a coyote killing spree.  You should see the sheep they kill on some of the sheep farms in this area.  So what really happens if you don't shoot coyotes in the warm months....They in fact are going to kill sheep or anything for the needed protein for the pups. That is the whole thing....The Pups....Pups need protein......
Also you know that some of the fawns get killed this time of the year .....for what.....Protein for the pups....I know a lot of turkeys get killed in Dauphin county this time of the year.....

So as far as I am concerned is in the warm months....Have at the coyotes.  No matter what you do they are going to kill everything they can possible kill.   By killing one of the members of the pack will probably not have any bearing on if the Bitch becomes a live stock killer...

Let face it too...When each and everyone of us do get coyotes in the Spring or Summer....It's not 999 of them. You may luck out and call in 20 but get one......LOL LOL

Anyway this is a good time to learn all you can by hunting coyotes....Thats a postive thing....
However some will say well the fur is not prime... This is the time to get yourself one of those coyote head mounts for the wall.  every coyote I hunt is for trophy not fur.....

This is just my 2 cents and my opinion...

I suppose if you killed the bitch and dog coyote or sire you could turn the pups into killers. However what about the other members of the pack... Do they or don't they also take care of the pups?
They do say the proper thing to do if you kill the bitch and the sire is to dig out the pups too. 


However I have seen first hand how coyotes are going to kill livestock anyway come May and June.....

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Re: Coyotes Right On Time Year After Year After Year.
« Reply #1 on: March 17, 2009, 09:19:07 PM »
Different people have diferent reasons why they don't hunt coyotes in the summer months. Some say
it's because they don't want to kill a pregnant female, others don't want to kill the parents and leave
the pups alone to starve to death in the den, others say the fur isn't prime so why shoot them? From
July on the pups are old enough to get by without the parents. I don't hunt them from March through
May but I am not against it. Summertime coyote calling can be some of your most productive times of
the year. Coy pup distress, challenge howls, fawn bleats, and rodent squeals all work well this time of
year. The only good coyote is a dead coyote in places where they kill livestock and pets to feed their
pups.
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Re: Coyotes Right On Time Year After Year After Year.
« Reply #2 on: March 17, 2009, 11:37:43 PM »
I will be hunting them when i can, now if i was to kill a female with pup inside her or in the den. it kinda sucks b.c thats less we get to hunt. just my thoughts... I just started about a month ago. I love hunting with a bud, or uncle etc etc but... I am starting to realize that it seems like none can be as quiet as I want it to be.. Mayb its me but I havent gotton my first yet.. I think its b.c of noise,rookie mistakes. I am learning alot also. I just ordered a set of mouth calls. I only had an e- caller and squeeker. but anyway ill be hunting them as much as my ::back:: allows me..

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Re: Coyotes Right On Time Year After Year After Year.
« Reply #3 on: March 18, 2009, 06:48:24 AM »
Hunt 'em anytime of year. You aren't going to hurt the population, that has been proven for decades by goverment predator control men in the western states. More Coyote in the U.S.A. now than anytime in hustory. Go get 'em.

In 1996, I called and killed a sheep killer in Point Township, Northumberland County. I solved a problem for this sheep farmer. I went back next fur season to gain permission to call. The sheep farmer said NO.
I ask, 'Why no?'
Sheep farmer repied, 'You got the killer and I haven't had a problem, but I know there are still Coyotes around, because I see one once in awhile and I hear them offten. If you kill non-sheep killers, a sheep killer may move into this area and I might lose more stock and I can't afford that'
This was reasoning I never thought about. Sound reasoning from the sheep farmer.
I was back and killed another sheep killer on this property in 2001 and 2008.


Hunting year round and hunting and trapping late season has always draw debates.
This pass 'late season' (Feb.) I killed a female Red Fox that was breed and had 5 pups in her belly.
Same week I killed a female Coyote that was breed and had 6 pups in her belly.

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Re: Coyotes Right On Time Year After Year After Year.
« Reply #4 on: March 18, 2009, 10:48:28 PM »
Hern's post gave me a flashback.

I gained permission to hunt a new farm in another county...Coyotes were around since we did kill one as the crow flys only two miles from this new farm.....   I called again one evening to tell them I would be hunting coyotes.  The women told me that her husband now said NO!!!!!!!!!!!That I could not hunt coyotes there!!" She further explained:  "That me doing predator sounds and coyote howl's would bring the coyotes in and they would start to kill everytihing!"  In other words I would lure them in and they would go on a killing spree because of me doing a KIYI,  rabbit distress etc etc....


I have permission to hunt predators on this one farm....The women allows this one young guy and bunch of his friends to hunt deer with a bow....."He told her if I call predators with my call I would scare all the deer away if they would be hunting there in archery season.  As you seasoned predator hunters know this is BS.   I have called all kinds of deer in when hunting predator at night time.  They are so relaxed to the call of the rabbit.  They come in for a look see and just graze while the call blazes away.  Now you take the first week of the Rut....I have had bucks come into my rabbit distress sounds and I have felt that they were going to wrap their legs around me...They got within one foot of me and just vered off.  No spoking.. Actually if they let me call I would probably have all of these deer just waiting for them there in that area come sunup.. LOL

I don't argue with people like this.......I just say OK....I might say your wrong but that would be about all I say....


Also the worst thing that can happen to a caller is when the husband farmer dies.....The husband farmer allows you to hunt deer and predators.... However in comes the guy who share crops the land for the now widow of the farmer that died.  He tells her...."The Predator hunter can hunt coyotes, coon, and fox etc.  However since he is farming the land for her that every deer on that land now is his to kill since they are eating his crops... Now she is getting money from him for the using the land.  However here is a guy making money on crops and playing head games on the now widow so he can kill every deer duirng the property. Who is to say that the guy even gets a anterless tag too.  We are not talking about taking one deer off the land if you hold a anterless tag.  Kind of sad how guys try to manipulate widows when the husband farmer would allow you to take at least one deer of the land???????I know the farmer that passed on. He would have told this share cropper to hit the road...
Share crop non owners of land are actually no better then a poacher if they do kill large quantities of deer and not have a anterless tag and or even a hunting license to justify each and every harvest of deer....

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