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Predator Hunting => Guns and Ammo => Topic started by: shadowchaser on December 09, 2013, 10:28:35 AM
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This is a reason why I am not a fan of hunting in Pa with AR's. I'm probably going to get slammed for this post, but its just my personal opinion.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CSJ3R1lwwS4
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I agree with you 100%!
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Im a fan of tim wells but not really impressed with this video.
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not a fan of emm for hunting . Ill leave it at that ..
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This is a reason why I am not a fan of hunting in Pa with AR's. I'm probably going to get slammed for this post, but its just my personal opinion.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CSJ3R1lwwS4
Are you then saying that if allowed all PA hunters with an AR would act like this bozo did? It appears, to me, that you don't hold your fellow PA hunters in very high regard. Are you a "fan" of any semi-auto?
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Its a sad fact john that most imo have the spray and pray mentality. The simple fact you see on tv people taking running shots with bolts and i have seen it hunting with others to know that if they had 10 more easily accessible rounds that they would go till they hear click.
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John, For hunting I am not a fan of any semi auto's. And no I dont think a normal person shooting an AR for hunting will back off. I spent 7 years in the Infantry and I know how easy it is to lose yourself.
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Also John even if 90% of Pa hunters who used them were safe that would leave 10% who weren't. I've never saw on a news report how a hunter put safety first. With gun control such a huge issue we should be thankful we can own them for target and home defense. I can only imagine the injuries on public land. I know im not the only person to get peppered with birdshot. Replace that with a .223 or .308 which are common AR calibers.
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I don’t get over here to often and don’t mean to cause a p’ing contest but it just really rubs me the wrong way when a fellow gun owner and hunter wants to restrict the rights of others to own/hunt with a rifle that is probably legal in most all other states. Just because a few “might” not be responsible.
A .308 or a .223 out of a Model 70 or 700 or any other bolt will kill you just as dead as one out of an AR. You PA guys need to clean up your ranks if you got guys with that kind of mentality. Due to some physical limitations I don't get out as often as I use to but when I do I always have my ArmAlite (.223) or DPMS (.308) with me.
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P.S. I spent twenty-four years in the army, all with the 82nd, 1stSF, 5thSF, Center and two others we don’t talk about.
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With gun control such a huge issue we should be thankful we can own them for target and home defense.
THANKFUL!!! I believe the Second Amendment gives me the right no reason to be thankful just because some politician says you can have one, it's his/her job to ensure we have that RIGHT. You guys need to get together and run these two bit political hacks ,who tell you what you can and can not do, out of office. We passed a conceal carry law and then some idiot politician said we need to pay some money, take a class and get a permit. WE THE PEOPLE said why, guess what - no permit needed to CC in AZ.
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The AR discussion never ends well . And really is pointless to argue it . The same replies always appear . Some take it as a personal attack on there own judgment . Some take it as the man holding them down cause other states allow emm . So on and so forth . Fact is . We are judged by the actions of fools. . And there seems to be no shortage of them these days . Proof is the warning labels on every product you buy . Don't take things personal .
A discussion of accuracy of the ar vs the bolt would be a nice subject . After all. . Our goal is to put fur down in the best way in our geographic area ? And if the ar is so great then why don't snipers use emm ?
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Well said
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Great response Jimmy.
John, I never said I was against owning them. Just against hunting in Pa with them. I respect your opinion as i do everyone's. You and I were trained to use them though. I have disabilities that limit my abilities and im only 33. I couldn't tie my shoes, wipe my #ss or walk without a cane for almost a year so i can relate. That has nothing to do with safety though. Out west and even places down south they have the room to hunt with an AR, Pa does not. And yes Im thankful. Im thankful our rights are still intact at all. I could care less about killing anything. That doesn't mean i need to be policed from the ranks.
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The past 5 years has made me open my eyes. Current administration forcing their agenda on the majority that don't want it.
I now know that if I don't like something that's OK. However if I don't like something I'm not going to try to take it away from others. If you disagree with a part of hunting or shooting and then cast your vote against it your probably no better then PETA trying to take away hunting or trapping from you and you and you!
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After I said all that: I remember a Mosquito creek hunt for coyotes: I was the caller up wind of two shooters down wind of me. Strategy was that I would call the coyotes and they would circle me and come into my calling and my brother and nephew would shoot them on their arc to me.
There I was at the 20 min mark just let out with the female invitation howl!
No lights needed twilight conditions and me with a single shot Encore 17 Rem straddles across my arms. All of a sudden two coyotes came running right at me from the up wind side. I had to make sure they were not deer. Both coyotes and I knew who we were at the same time! They hauled it! I missed them with the single shot 17 Rem! :(
O how I wish I had an AR then or at least my Benelli SBE 11! :( enough said in my part about AR ownership!
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I own one and have made sure the family can proficiently shoot it! Even my 8 year old, I wouldn't want him aiming at me in a bad situation! Geographically speaking in my area even for deer hunting you have chunks of woods then houses so you have to be careful where you shoot. With that said, what I have witnessed on the local game lands when a deer runs by most guys, they unload there bolt action guns even with no chance of making a shot. Now put an AR in there hand and let's let the lead really fly! If they were legal in PA I might take it out when I'm in the mountains but not around here in suburbia. It's the mind set that, there's a fox, **** I missed buy hell I have 9 more rounds, I'm gonna shoot til it's dead or I'm out of bullets. I'm not saying that's everybody's mind set but there is enough out there who act that way to make me weary of the consiquences.
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Well I appreciate the input and insults. Sorry i brought this up.
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shadowchaser you meant no harm...Nothing wrong with having a debate...Looking at the video you could do a pro and con on it... There looked like there was adequate back stop. However I did see one bullet appear to go up into the horizon... So yep it could be debated... I know I would use varmint bullets that's for sure no deer bullets for predators..
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UB in all reality I would be more fearful of them being used for deer season. I hunt a lot of public land and imagine half the people using them. I wish I could say I trusted everyone to do the right thing, but we both know that won't/doesn't happen. I see no issue with them being used for target shooting or to have for home defense. I don't feel they should be illegal. I just don't like the idea of 2-5 guys lined up in the woods during opening day unloading on a deer. Yes the same accident could happen with a bolt, single, or pump, but a semi auto rifle would be a huge multiplier.
One thing I will say is that tracers are a poor judge of bullet ricochet as the tracer element sometimes breaks off of a .223 or .308 when striking something.
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Makes sense john. If ars came around id like to see a limit put on rounds in the gun same as a semi shotgun. No more then 3. Jmo of course.
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I'd like to see them legalized for varmint/predator/small game hunting only at first with maybe a 5 round limit since that is the smallest mag available.
Even New York allows hunters to use them, or at least did.
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I hope that they never legalize ANY semi-auto rifle for hunting.
Comparing them to a semi auto shotgun is not apples to apples due to the distance the bullet travels.
I hope they are never legalized for hunting, and it's not because they are black.
I find it funny that one of the arguments that is used in the gun control debate is that a black rifle is exactly the same as any other semi, but people inside the gun "fraternity" sometime forget to bring that up.
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Well I appreciate the input and insults. Sorry i brought this up.
Nothing to be sorry about, you have an opinion and you voiced it. Those who don't stand for something will fall for anything. I'm just kinda disappointed that the politicians have you guys by the shorthairs. The PA I grew up in back in the forties and fifties I don't think would tolerate what pols told them they could or could not hunt with. I still stand by a .308 and/or .223 out of a bolt will kill ya just as one out of an AR will.
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A discussion of accuracy of the ar vs the bolt would be a nice subject . After all. . Our goal is to put fur down in the best way in our geographic area ? And if the ar is so great then why don't snipers use emm ?
Sniper Rifle come in all sizes and configurations for the job at hand. This is the one I used, which was given to me when I retired and now belongs to my grandson. Are you a graduate of any military sniper course? If so you must have been absent the day we instructed the versatility a sniper must have and the different weapon systems he has available to him.
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US Army M110 Semi-Auto Sniper Rifle.
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SS15-P Sniper Rifle
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Hmmmmm I've toying with the idea of buying a SAM7SF :o ammo is cheap also... :) Hunting with it NAH...buy I would like to see 22 semis legal to hunt squirrel and ground griz... 8)
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Goose you need to buy yourself a 10/22 and start hunting with it. Tell them handwringer worry warts to go pound sand. Squirrels and rabbits can't beat it. ;D That SAM7SF is a Belgium made gun and shots pretty good. I have a buddy to has one and he likes it real well.
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Goose, I second that ;D in fact I think you should have an AR on a swivel mount ::) front of the little sneak boat "Leaky Lily" ;) give them geese a real surprise :o :o........... 8)
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Coyotejohn . I don't believe any of them you showed are near the equivalent of the ar 15 that you will see in the common hunting scene . And yes I have an issue with staying awake in class . I guess I should have been more specific in my post. I take for granted that everyone I talk to is the common Joe . Non the less . I'd like to have one of each please . Your "gift". Looks like one hell of a wood chuck plucker .
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How many chucks could a wood chuck plucker pluck, if a wood chuck could chuck wood?
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I was at a range one day and met a guy who actually used a ar chambered in .300 whisper with a can screwed on the end. He actually used it to fox hunt. Difference was he had to rack the bolt manually and he had a permit for the supressor. Right now in the heart of rifle season i hear it every day a volly out of a pump or lever. I would hate to see it with a semi. But predator hunters in general are a very safe breed. Look at the stats and im sure you'll notice that there has never been more then a handful of problem if any as far as accidents. So just maybe they would be alright. I agre john a bolt will kill as quick as a semi its the rate of fire that they can lay it down that bothers me.
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The rifle your grandson is shown with...What is that?....... I think he needs to grow a bit,but I bet he's game to shoot it...lol...
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;D John can correct me but I'm thinking a 50 BMG :P
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Well guys my wife really wants semi-autos to become legal here in Pa and she's not a hunter! You wanna
hear her reason......she said if using an AR based platform I won't need to buy any more guns!? My wife can
then use all of my "gun" money for her pen obsession! Maybe the Commonwealth forsees this happening
enmass which would put other non AR companies out of business?
BTW guys I'm kidding. IMO and experience it doesn't matter what an idiot hunts with be it pump, bolt, semi-auto
or full auto they are still idiots and will continue to tarnish good and ethical hunters reps.
Chris
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;D John can correct me but I'm thinking a 50 BMG :P
Correct Goose, mine was an ArmaLite, but some of the other guys preferred the Barrett, obviously both will get the job done. By the way, mine fully decked out, weighted in at a bit over thirty pounds. As you can see it is not a weapon you would want to use if you had to move out in a hurry and say run 100 yards with a pack and rifle to your extraction point.
I don't believe any of them you showed are near the equivalent of the ar 15 that you will see in the common hunting scene .
Both of the ones I posted are available on the civilian market with the same mil specs. Are the common, probably not I only know of two out here in our area that have them, both in .308.
IMO and experience it doesn't matter what an idiot hunts with be it pump, bolt, semi-auto
or full auto they are still idiots and will continue to tarnish good and ethical hunters reps.
Chris, hard to argue with that statement. Dumb is as dumb does.
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We are hunters of the hunters . Our areas are not large But those of narrow landscapes . Our prey is keen and sly. . Our firearms choices are determined by the commission with public safety in mind . These choices have been made and set forth by the actions committed by the retarded . We are judged not by our actions as the slim few that choose and have the skills and dedication to take down the smartest prey in the land . But the actions of those hunting the dumbest prey on the plot . This is why we can't have nice things . Redirect your complaints to the appropriate party . They should be easy to find at any range now that a bounty has been passed
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This is a little off topic..but when were you with the 5thSF..you had it in your ps... just wondering.. 8)
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The rifle your grandson is shown with...What is that?....... I think he needs to grow a bit,but I bet he's game to shoot it...lol...
He hasn't shot it yet, but his sister did when she was eleven, which was about five years ago. This is a little off topic..but when were you with the 5thSF..you had it in your ps... just wondering.. 8)
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