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Predator Hunting => Guns and Ammo => Topic started by: Buckwheat on December 19, 2012, 07:21:56 PM
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I am not a big rinfire guy but, looks like there must be a demand.
http://www.varminter.com/winchester-worlds-fastest-rimfire-cartridge-coming-2013/
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Surprising Winchester is promoting a rimfire cartridge and they don't produce a rimfire rifle.
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Foxtrot
I typed in Winchester 22 rifles and found they do sell 22 rifles.
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I have a Winchester Wildcat. Though it's actually made by TOZ in Russia and imported by Winchester.
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The Winchester Wildcat was a rimfire produced in Russia and sold under the Winchester name but was discontinued.Their website still has information about that model under the historic heading.I'm not sure of the last year they were produced.
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Petersons hunting has a article on it.
Google 17 whinchester super magnum
Supposed to have more umph then the .22 wmr. Hopefully it wont flop compared to the hmr.
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Very creative on Winchesters part I didn't see that one coming,using a power load from a concrete nailer.I wonder if you will be able to use it in the rimfire only areas?Ben,I wouldn't say the hmr was a flop they sure sold a bunch of them.
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If it is a rimfire. They have to let you use it in the rimfire only areas. I know a few people with the 5mm rimfire that use them in those areas. I have had a number of HMRs over the years. Most of them Savage. I love it because it a zipper of a round. I now have a CZ 452 and absolutely love it. I'll be keeping this one. Now that the new 17 hornet is making its way into the market. I'll be looking to add that to my gun cabinet. Just waiting for CZ to get their rifle on the market.
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Yeah, I would also like to see CZ come out with a 17 hornet. I don't own a CZ or a 17 caliber and I am very interested in both.
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Very creative on Winchesters part I didn't see that one coming,using a power load from a concrete nailer.I wonder if you will be able to use it in the rimfire only areas?Ben,I wouldn't say the hmr was a flop they sure sold a bunch of them.
Your prob the only person that i know that likes it. And you actually reload your rounds which is innovative. The only thing it ever did well with me was kill paper. Too much for small game and not enough for anything bigger then 3lbs. I was just never a fan of it. Many that i know who bought em for fur do not use them unless they have to.
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I think we are very fortunate to have two new predator calibers coming our way with the 17 supermag and the hornet.Our choices have always been kind of limited.There are rumors of more in the works.We will have to wait and see which ones take off and survive.One thing I don't like is the fact that they tend to get the cart before the horse and manufacture ammo before the rifle is introduced.Hopefully some of the other firearm manufacturers besides Savage will go out on a limb with some of these new calibers.
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I will be trying one of these out. I put a $50.00 deposit down on one. Not sure how it will do with coyotes but I mainly got it for fox and other small critters. Time will tell!!
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My personal opinion, when you compare the bullistics, the 17 hornet is a better choice, although its a centerfire. The 17 hornet is putting out 3650 fps with a 20 gr hornady v amx bullet.
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(http://www.varminter.com/wp-content/gallery/17-winchester-super-magnum-photos/rimfire-comparison.jpg)
(http://www.varminter.com/wp-content/gallery/17-winchester-super-magnum-photos/savage-bmag-rifle-1.jpg)
http://www.varminter.com/17-winchester-super-magnum-and-the-savage-bmag-rifle-image-gallery/
Click on the URL above and check out these photos of the savage BMag rifle that will be here shortly. This rifle is chambered for the new 17 WSM rimfire cartridge.
For those of you who say "Why not just get a centerfire?", here is my response. I totally see your point... if you don't hunt any rimfire restricted areas then, get a 17hornet, 17fireball, 22hornet, etc. Some counties in PA have rimfire only restrictions. I hunt a bit in Chester county and am very giddy about getting my hands on one of these rifles.
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Whats really nice about the 17 cal. is you can still stay focused on your target through the scope after the shot is made. Very little recoil!! Keep us posted when you get one!!
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I am new here and to predet hunting all together. i just bought a 22 mag as i live in montgomery county which is rimfire or shotgun. i have a single shot 22 hornet and a 243 bolt gun for upstate. that said i was going to weight for the 17 win to come out but i got a new 22 mag. reason is i have concern that regarless how fas it is going it is still a 20-25 grain bullet. be it 800 ft second faster than a 30 grain or 1000 faster than 40 grain 22 mag bullets. so 1/3 to 1/2 lighter but 1/3 faster. are those little bullets going to work on predators at that speed. will they just blow up or put a tiny pencil hole in yotes. we will see. what do you guys think.
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You make some very good and valid points. I have yet to shoot at a coyote with my 17 hornet (Centerfire) but it does so a great job on fox. I have yet to have one take a single step after being shot. I can't wait to see what it does this spring on groundhogs. There is an old saying..."Speed Kills" With the 17 hornet, it confirms the theory in my opinion anyway.
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The cartridge sounds great. I can't find the rifle on Savages website. Shooting times has it coming in the 2nd Qtr and a price of $349. The Win. Low wall is beautiful but the price will give you cramps. Dick
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Buckwheat et al: Spent some time on the Savage website. The new Win. 17 B-Mag ain't on it. Called my dealer when I can't find it . He is in VT. He doesn't believe it. "They can't deliver ammo that they have tooled for and the new 17 isn't even on the books." I ordered one anyway.